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		<title>By: Tarrence</title>
		<link>http://bioephemera.com/2008/01/06/according-to-their-kind/#comment-64585</link>
		<author>Tarrence</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 14:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm a uni student, majoring in fine arts and minoring in biology, for perspective.

In High School, we always had to submit a "rationale" with whatever piece we were working on. I hated doing this, as I found it insulting to the viewer and awkward for me, as the artist, to have to draw out all the meaning there might possibly be. The reason, I was told by my art teacher, was to explain the more arcane aspects to some of the cloudier-minded. When you're an artist working for a living, you have to be able to explain the piece to a non-artistic company figure. This sounds pretentious, but there are many people who simply don't get the nuances or the emotional impact of a piece of art. When your livelihood relies on convincing people to see something in your work, sometimes you have to verbally elaborate in order to explain it to someone. This is not a case of artistic error or lack of talent, some people just can't see any meaning in art.

Personally, when I go to an art gallery or look at a colleague's work, I look at it first objectively, with no knowledge of the artist's intention, and then discuss it or read the accompanying information. It's like dissecting literature- some people see only one, obvious theme, some people see many different and unrelated or even conflicting themes, and some people see very little theme at all and just enjoy the ride. 

I disagree strongly with the idea that artists often "has no idea what this is about”. It implies a thrown-together kind of half-assed trickery by the artist "I don't know what this means but the audience doesn't know that. Hee Hee Hee $$$" I often change or add something, not knowing consciously why I did it, only to be blown away when looking at the final product. Subconsciously, artist inject truths and images into their work. This is not to say they have no idea what they're doing, it is just not consciously dissected prior to addition.

Additionally, emotions are what makes us human. To say that decisions should be made exclusively through logic is to deny humanity. Logically, killing the weak to better support the strong id more efficient. Why should we let silly emotions get in the way of making controversial decisions? :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a uni student, majoring in fine arts and minoring in biology, for perspective.</p>
<p>In High School, we always had to submit a &#8220;rationale&#8221; with whatever piece we were working on. I hated doing this, as I found it insulting to the viewer and awkward for me, as the artist, to have to draw out all the meaning there might possibly be. The reason, I was told by my art teacher, was to explain the more arcane aspects to some of the cloudier-minded. When you&#8217;re an artist working for a living, you have to be able to explain the piece to a non-artistic company figure. This sounds pretentious, but there are many people who simply don&#8217;t get the nuances or the emotional impact of a piece of art. When your livelihood relies on convincing people to see something in your work, sometimes you have to verbally elaborate in order to explain it to someone. This is not a case of artistic error or lack of talent, some people just can&#8217;t see any meaning in art.</p>
<p>Personally, when I go to an art gallery or look at a colleague&#8217;s work, I look at it first objectively, with no knowledge of the artist&#8217;s intention, and then discuss it or read the accompanying information. It&#8217;s like dissecting literature- some people see only one, obvious theme, some people see many different and unrelated or even conflicting themes, and some people see very little theme at all and just enjoy the ride. </p>
<p>I disagree strongly with the idea that artists often &#8220;has no idea what this is about”. It implies a thrown-together kind of half-assed trickery by the artist &#8220;I don&#8217;t know what this means but the audience doesn&#8217;t know that. Hee Hee Hee $$$&#8221; I often change or add something, not knowing consciously why I did it, only to be blown away when looking at the final product. Subconsciously, artist inject truths and images into their work. This is not to say they have no idea what they&#8217;re doing, it is just not consciously dissected prior to addition.</p>
<p>Additionally, emotions are what makes us human. To say that decisions should be made exclusively through logic is to deny humanity. Logically, killing the weak to better support the strong id more efficient. Why should we let silly emotions get in the way of making controversial decisions? <img src='http://bioephemera.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Hungry Hyaena</title>
		<link>http://bioephemera.com/2008/01/06/according-to-their-kind/#comment-29021</link>
		<author>Hungry Hyaena</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 20:32:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://bioephemera.com/2008/01/06/according-to-their-kind/#comment-29021</guid>
		<description>Well said, John.  I've been out to lunch on the blog crawl lately, and so just revisited this thread.  The language of the gallery press release is absurd and, often, simply wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, John.  I&#8217;ve been out to lunch on the blog crawl lately, and so just revisited this thread.  The language of the gallery press release is absurd and, often, simply wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: John Coulthart</title>
		<link>http://bioephemera.com/2008/01/06/according-to-their-kind/#comment-28407</link>
		<author>John Coulthart</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://bioephemera.com/2008/01/06/according-to-their-kind/#comment-28407</guid>
		<description>I'm not an expert by any means but I like to keep an eye on what's around, something that's easier now with the web. In the past you had to buy art magazines to see what was happening elsewhere.

I'm fairly sure that the kind of strangled terminology used to present art wasn't so common twenty years ago, it's a phenomenon that's spread since the 1980s, possibly as a result of the expansion of art as a hugely saleable commodity. It's always been difficult to talk about art since its very nature is subjective but the problem today is that much of the language used by galleries and artists themselves doesn't bear close scrutiny. A kind of "gallery-ese" has emerged which has a veneer of importance but which rarely says anything specific. A couple of hours after leaving the comment above, I was looking at another site and saw this:

"25 artists have been invited to produce a site-concerned work inspired by the short story “The Drowned Giant” by J.G. Ballard and by the labyrinthine, vernacular architecture of Shoreditch Town Hall’s basement. The result is a stunning exhibition that exploits the dialogue between space and narrative through Ballard’s concerns. Decay, fragility and relativity of human morality, as well as representation of body through architecture, violence and sanity are some of the conceptual directions taken by the artists."

What these people have been asked to do is illustrate a story, or at least use the story as a springboard for their imaginations. Yet no one dare state that using those words, it doesn't sound important enough. So we get phrases like "exploits the dialogue between space and narrative" and "representation of body through architecture". George Orwell criticised this kind of vague and inflated use of words in &lt;a href="http://www.protrainco.com/info/essays/politicsandenglishlang.htm" title="Politics and the English Language" rel="nofollow"&gt;Politics and the English Language&lt;/a&gt; in 1946 and little has improved since then, if anything it's got worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not an expert by any means but I like to keep an eye on what&#8217;s around, something that&#8217;s easier now with the web. In the past you had to buy art magazines to see what was happening elsewhere.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m fairly sure that the kind of strangled terminology used to present art wasn&#8217;t so common twenty years ago, it&#8217;s a phenomenon that&#8217;s spread since the 1980s, possibly as a result of the expansion of art as a hugely saleable commodity. It&#8217;s always been difficult to talk about art since its very nature is subjective but the problem today is that much of the language used by galleries and artists themselves doesn&#8217;t bear close scrutiny. A kind of &#8220;gallery-ese&#8221; has emerged which has a veneer of importance but which rarely says anything specific. A couple of hours after leaving the comment above, I was looking at another site and saw this:</p>
<p>&#8220;25 artists have been invited to produce a site-concerned work inspired by the short story “The Drowned Giant” by J.G. Ballard and by the labyrinthine, vernacular architecture of Shoreditch Town Hall’s basement. The result is a stunning exhibition that exploits the dialogue between space and narrative through Ballard’s concerns. Decay, fragility and relativity of human morality, as well as representation of body through architecture, violence and sanity are some of the conceptual directions taken by the artists.&#8221;</p>
<p>What these people have been asked to do is illustrate a story, or at least use the story as a springboard for their imaginations. Yet no one dare state that using those words, it doesn&#8217;t sound important enough. So we get phrases like &#8220;exploits the dialogue between space and narrative&#8221; and &#8220;representation of body through architecture&#8221;. George Orwell criticised this kind of vague and inflated use of words in <a href="http://www.protrainco.com/info/essays/politicsandenglishlang.htm" title="Politics and the English Language" rel="nofollow">Politics and the English Language</a> in 1946 and little has improved since then, if anything it&#8217;s got worse.</p>
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		<title>By: cicada</title>
		<link>http://bioephemera.com/2008/01/06/according-to-their-kind/#comment-28348</link>
		<author>cicada</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 03:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://bioephemera.com/2008/01/06/according-to-their-kind/#comment-28348</guid>
		<description>Ooooh, look at you two! Never mind my post, your comments are much more interesting, and of course more broadly applicable. ("the hellishness of now?" good grief . ) Honestly, I wish I had half the familiarity with current art that you two do. I just wander around, curious and uninformed. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ooooh, look at you two! Never mind my post, your comments are much more interesting, and of course more broadly applicable. (&#8221;the hellishness of now?&#8221; good grief . ) Honestly, I wish I had half the familiarity with current art that you two do. I just wander around, curious and uninformed. <img src='http://bioephemera.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: John Coulthart</title>
		<link>http://bioephemera.com/2008/01/06/according-to-their-kind/#comment-28313</link>
		<author>John Coulthart</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 21:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://bioephemera.com/2008/01/06/according-to-their-kind/#comment-28313</guid>
		<description>You're right, that's a broad brush sentiment which obviously doesn't apply to all art. There are artists out there doing things for their own reasons without requiring any justifications that sound like they've been pulled from a sociology textbook. Tom Phillips is one of my favourite living artists, an extremely inventive man who does much to demystify the art process as well as managing to create gorgeous artworks in all manner of media. And he's witty with it. Phillips translated and illustrated Dante's Inferno in the 1980s, and also did produced a great TV version with Peter Greenaway. If Phillips made a street artwork called Gates of Hell, as Heather B Swann did in Melbourne, he'd regard that the work and title were enough for the viewer. He wouldn't feel the need to overload the thing by saying:

"Cerberus's biting, barking heads are designed to frighten us. The artist is challenging our complacency and lethargy.

"She wants us to think about (and act against) the hellishness of now, the purgatories and punishments of the contemporary world."

as they do on the &lt;a href="http://www.woostercollective.com/2007/08/every_image_has_a_story_gates_of_hell_in.html" title="Gates of Hell" rel="nofollow"&gt;Wooster Collective&lt;/a&gt; page. 

For what it's worth, I like Doris's crack (if that doesn't sound too vulgar); the size of the Tate Turbine Hall is a fascinating challenge and it's always interesting to see what each new artist does with it. But I'd challenge anyone to get “addressing a long legacy of racism and colonialism that underlies the modern world” from simply looking at a crack in the floor. It's this kind of vague justification I object to, something that the art world gets away with far too easily.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right, that&#8217;s a broad brush sentiment which obviously doesn&#8217;t apply to all art. There are artists out there doing things for their own reasons without requiring any justifications that sound like they&#8217;ve been pulled from a sociology textbook. Tom Phillips is one of my favourite living artists, an extremely inventive man who does much to demystify the art process as well as managing to create gorgeous artworks in all manner of media. And he&#8217;s witty with it. Phillips translated and illustrated Dante&#8217;s Inferno in the 1980s, and also did produced a great TV version with Peter Greenaway. If Phillips made a street artwork called Gates of Hell, as Heather B Swann did in Melbourne, he&#8217;d regard that the work and title were enough for the viewer. He wouldn&#8217;t feel the need to overload the thing by saying:</p>
<p>&#8220;Cerberus&#8217;s biting, barking heads are designed to frighten us. The artist is challenging our complacency and lethargy.</p>
<p>&#8220;She wants us to think about (and act against) the hellishness of now, the purgatories and punishments of the contemporary world.&#8221;</p>
<p>as they do on the <a href="http://www.woostercollective.com/2007/08/every_image_has_a_story_gates_of_hell_in.html" title="Gates of Hell" rel="nofollow">Wooster Collective</a> page. </p>
<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, I like Doris&#8217;s crack (if that doesn&#8217;t sound too vulgar); the size of the Tate Turbine Hall is a fascinating challenge and it&#8217;s always interesting to see what each new artist does with it. But I&#8217;d challenge anyone to get “addressing a long legacy of racism and colonialism that underlies the modern world” from simply looking at a crack in the floor. It&#8217;s this kind of vague justification I object to, something that the art world gets away with far too easily.</p>
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		<title>By: Hungry Hyaena</title>
		<link>http://bioephemera.com/2008/01/06/according-to-their-kind/#comment-28294</link>
		<author>Hungry Hyaena</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 18:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://bioephemera.com/2008/01/06/according-to-their-kind/#comment-28294</guid>
		<description>I feel like I have something to add...but then I don't really have much.

Your critique of the show is sound.

John's comment is generally accurate, though I would argue that it's also a bit disingenuous to simplify the contemporary Art World mode that much.  It's not so neat.  For those of us who are happy to stare at a bit of trash for long minutes, the Tate crack might well captivate.  The reproductions I've seen do make it look interesting.  My problem is with the Art World's insistence on attaching a specific interpretation, rather than assuming viewers will want to draw their own conclusions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel like I have something to add&#8230;but then I don&#8217;t really have much.</p>
<p>Your critique of the show is sound.</p>
<p>John&#8217;s comment is generally accurate, though I would argue that it&#8217;s also a bit disingenuous to simplify the contemporary Art World mode that much.  It&#8217;s not so neat.  For those of us who are happy to stare at a bit of trash for long minutes, the Tate crack might well captivate.  The reproductions I&#8217;ve seen do make it look interesting.  My problem is with the Art World&#8217;s insistence on attaching a specific interpretation, rather than assuming viewers will want to draw their own conclusions.</p>
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		<title>By: John Coulthart</title>
		<link>http://bioephemera.com/2008/01/06/according-to-their-kind/#comment-28267</link>
		<author>John Coulthart</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 12:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You rarely see any contemporary art now whose gallery or artist doesn't describe the work at hand as "exploring issues about...", "challenging the viewer with...", "raising a question concerning..." and so on. These claims are often confused, as you note, or downright disingenous. 

Oscar Wilde famously said that all art is quite useless but today it's no longer allowed to be regarded that way. It's pressured about its irrelevance by popular culture and forced to justify its existence to the people who want to buy it in a vastly over-inflated market, so it has to make claims for itself that are often invisible in the work unless that work is accompanied by reams of explanation. Doris Salcedo's Shibboleth at Tate Modern is a good example of this syndrome, described as "addressing a long legacy of racism and colonialism that underlies the modern world", a justification which can't possibly be drawn from looking at a crack in a mass of concrete.

Many artists would be far more honest if they admitted that they didn't know what they were doing at the time, that they were pursuing some juxtaposition of imagery that they find interesting for reasons they couldn't explain (as Francis Bacon often did) or were simply trying to make something beautiful or interesting to look at. But they daren't do this (or galleries and dealers won't let them) because no one wants to pay a lot of money for a work of art and then have to say "the artist has no idea what this is about".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You rarely see any contemporary art now whose gallery or artist doesn&#8217;t describe the work at hand as &#8220;exploring issues about&#8230;&#8221;, &#8220;challenging the viewer with&#8230;&#8221;, &#8220;raising a question concerning&#8230;&#8221; and so on. These claims are often confused, as you note, or downright disingenous. </p>
<p>Oscar Wilde famously said that all art is quite useless but today it&#8217;s no longer allowed to be regarded that way. It&#8217;s pressured about its irrelevance by popular culture and forced to justify its existence to the people who want to buy it in a vastly over-inflated market, so it has to make claims for itself that are often invisible in the work unless that work is accompanied by reams of explanation. Doris Salcedo&#8217;s Shibboleth at Tate Modern is a good example of this syndrome, described as &#8220;addressing a long legacy of racism and colonialism that underlies the modern world&#8221;, a justification which can&#8217;t possibly be drawn from looking at a crack in a mass of concrete.</p>
<p>Many artists would be far more honest if they admitted that they didn&#8217;t know what they were doing at the time, that they were pursuing some juxtaposition of imagery that they find interesting for reasons they couldn&#8217;t explain (as Francis Bacon often did) or were simply trying to make something beautiful or interesting to look at. But they daren&#8217;t do this (or galleries and dealers won&#8217;t let them) because no one wants to pay a lot of money for a work of art and then have to say &#8220;the artist has no idea what this is about&#8221;.</p>
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